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First Nations refinery plan gets mixed reaction

CBC News -- A proposal by Alberta First Nations to build and operate their own upgrader and refinery could be good news for gas stations and consumers, according to Canada's largest independent fuel supplier.
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"More supply and more supply options should help all of us when there is a shortage and prevent out-of-fuel situations," said Ken Grandin, a spokesman for Parkland Income Fund.
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"We had very few of those in the past couple of years, but, more refinery, more supply could help us and the market potentially in terms of pricing."
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The upgrader, which would carry a pricetag of more than $6 billion, would create thousands of much-needed jobs and economic development for Alberta's aboriginal people, said Eddy Makokis, Treaty Six grand chief.

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Submitted Mar 19, 2010 By: Hamish

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ops3 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,229 Points:737,025 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 5:12:59 PM Ignore ops3 Report Abuse At least Canada can build a refinery; the U.S. hasn't built one in years!
fordmexico Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,947 Points:172,600 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 10:21:58 AM Ignore fordmexico Report Abuse From the article, Depressed markets in North America have already resulted in Shell Canada stopping production at its refinery in Montreal, said John Skowronski of the Canadian Petroleum Products Institute. But Makokis said most of the five billion litres of fuel the plant is expected to produce each year would be exported to growing markets like China and India." pricechecker08 "Now somebody has the right idea." tazdriver "Energy independence is the goal" DustyHorse "Canada is setting the example for the United States. Good for them. SUPERQUACK "SET THE EXAMPLE AND THE PACE ....." Rick52 "This is GOOD maybe it will wake up the USA. refineries ... That there is competition out there .." bby "Sounds like the right move. We need to do something similar to leverage our resources." jarjazz1 "great news!" PaylessKY "It sounds good to me. Get it done.REAL GOOD NEWS FOR CHINA AND INDIA. SHIP NORTH AMERICAN OIL TO THEM. BUILD MORE REFINERIES SO INDIA AND CHINA CAN BUY IT CHEAPER.
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:6,509 Points:672,330 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 9:17:22 AM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse Yeah, but do Alberta's aboriginal people want to work? That's the question. For thousands of years they haved just been hanging out at Old Crow Flats and Bluefish Caves They aren't use to a 9 to 5 job. Let alone swing and night shift work.
katiejayWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,114 Points:344,860 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 9:08:53 AM Ignore katiejayWV Report Abuse Wow! Over 6 billion dollars. What kind of return can you get on that much money?
applejoe Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,503 Points:516,135 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 9:07:12 AM Ignore applejoe Report Abuse Where is the United States in this? I thought we were the world leaders. I guess that we are only world leaders in destroying our own economy. Look at the bunch we have as leaders!!!!!
Yonkers111 Champion Author Scranton Posts:6,209 Points:515,120 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:54:52 AM Ignore Yonkers111 Report Abuse Don't think this will save money if the refinery is profitable.
pricechecker08 Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,907 Points:797,765 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:54:23 AM Ignore pricechecker08 Report Abuse Now somebody has the right idea.
BWD Champion Author Charleston Posts:2,217 Points:1,579,260 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:46:45 AM Ignore BWD Report Abuse Anything that saves us money has to be to good to be true.
tazdriver Champion Author Huntsville Posts:4,892 Points:1,152,250 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:40:35 AM Ignore tazdriver Report Abuse Energy independence is the goal
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,344 Points:474,390 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:40:23 AM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Canada is setting the example for the United States. Good for them.
civicdutie Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,510 Points:507,750 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:39:30 AM Ignore civicdutie Report Abuse Good news for the people of Alberta.
SUPERQUACK Champion Author Sacramento Posts:1,288 Points:951,400 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:38:18 AM Ignore SUPERQUACK Report Abuse SET THE EXAMPLE AND THE PACE .....
rimpyCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,460 Points:303,545 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:38:03 AM Ignore rimpyCA Report Abuse ok
Rick52 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,260 Points:280,105 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:37:28 AM Ignore Rick52 Report Abuse This is GOOD maybe it will wake up the USA. refineries ... That there is competition out there ... And that there are others out there that can do Refining !!!!! USA big Oil you are cutting your own Throat ....Better Wake up !!!
lleddirj Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,451 Points:907,500 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:35:14 AM Ignore lleddirj Report Abuse Good for Canada, send some south please.
BEngr Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,522 Points:574,730 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:34:50 AM Ignore BEngr Report Abuse There will alway be a demand and planning for the future should be done now.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,305 Points:640,575 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:28:11 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse We don't need it now but sooner or later we will . It makes sense.
Zakmeister All-Star Author Cleveland Posts:632 Points:208,550 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:26:49 AM Ignore Zakmeister Report Abuse Sounds good.
Kato51 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,646 Points:1,237,410 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:22:19 AM Ignore Kato51 Report Abuse Looks like a good move for them and I sure hope it is successful.
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:3,541 Points:1,012,945 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:21:45 AM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse More power to them.
dabayer All-Star Author New Hampshire Posts:613 Points:207,610 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:18:12 AM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse Good for them, $6 billion isn't chump change.
CptnCanada Champion Author Saskatoon Posts:2,601 Points:389,000 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:18:09 AM Ignore CptnCanada Report Abuse this has to be a joke post.....
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:3,998 Points:272,200 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:16:50 AM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Build it now!!!!
Dipstick1 Champion Author Amarillo Posts:4,924 Points:1,436,240 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:16:31 AM Ignore Dipstick1 Report Abuse Hope they make some money.
dhawk24 Champion Author Maine Posts:2,867 Points:636,530 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:10:44 AM Ignore dhawk24 Report Abuse Sounds good...
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,810 Points:581,100 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:09:15 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse good for alberta - the left will try and shut it down.
bby Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,624 Points:213,145 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:03:12 AM Ignore bby Report Abuse Sounds like the right move. We need to do something similar to leverage our resources.
jarrjazz1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:2,189 Points:444,340 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:02:58 AM Ignore jarrjazz1 Report Abuse great news!
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,360 Points:625,755 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:56:57 AM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse It sounds good to me. Get it done.
Robert44 Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,832 Points:734,965 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:56:48 AM Ignore Robert44 Report Abuse At least Canada is trying something that should help with supplies and price.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:17,881 Points:1,328,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:55:55 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse They have the land and the money to build a refinery close to the crude oil supply.
Kimmunicate All-Star Author San Francisco Posts:595 Points:136,085 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:51:54 AM Ignore Kimmunicate Report Abuse "We had very few of those in the past couple of years, but, more refinery, more supply could help us and the market potentially in terms of pricing." I'm glad they're hopeful, but if the US is any indication, it doesn't matter how much supply you have, gas prices at the pump will always go up
KillChain Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,059 Points:563,975 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:51:26 AM Ignore KillChain Report Abuse All oil goes to global market.
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,806 Points:1,017,270 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:49:40 AM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse This should have started a long, long time ago. While bo was making those obscene, gouging, rape and pillage profits they could have financed a new refinery every quarter and only cut their obnoxious profits by 10%. Yes, less than 10% of those quarterly profits would have produced some state of the art refineries that would have easily cut costs and improved our position in the world market. Bring on the Alternative Fuel Vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
MalibuGordie Champion Author California Posts:3,178 Points:589,660 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:48:05 AM Ignore MalibuGordie Report Abuse Yes the US should be building more. But, then again, we all know which group to blame for that roadblock.
The_Gunslinger Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,897 Points:384,340 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:47:43 AM Ignore The_Gunslinger Report Abuse Good for Canada
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,003 Points:504,135 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:46:20 AM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse Good for Canada. The United States should be building a few too. We are always a little too late.
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,042 Points:616,335 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:43:22 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Idea sounds grest. Shipping most to China and India, not so great.
ssect8 Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,897 Points:1,185,450 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:42:38 AM Ignore ssect8 Report Abuse Sounds good for them, the US should do the same thing.
esorsd All-Star Author St. Louis Posts:907 Points:652,975 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:39:36 AM Ignore esorsd Report Abuse Good news for Canada.
twiper1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,741 Points:591,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:35:09 AM Ignore twiper1 Report Abuse This should help Canada until the ev's arrive.
baitmn Champion Author New Orleans Posts:3,813 Points:1,090,400 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:34:40 AM Ignore baitmn Report Abuse canada is taking the oil from the sand which some people think is not worth doing, but there is a great supply
repeater1 Champion Author Kansas Posts:3,261 Points:1,364,920 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:34:28 AM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse Hope they are able to pull it off.
ljmatney Champion Author Wichita Posts:4,024 Points:565,120 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:32:46 AM Ignore ljmatney Report Abuse This would help. Continue to conserve.
ifallsguy Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,531 Points:718,225 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 7:30:07 AM Ignore ifallsguy Report Abuse since their land is what brought the oil sands, they should be able to partake in the profits